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- Date: Mon, 30 May 94 01:09:11 PDT
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- Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #591
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-
- Info-Hams Digest Mon, 30 May 94 Volume 94 : Issue 591
-
- Today's Topics:
- 440 in So. Cal. (4 msgs)
- 6146A vs 6146
- ANARTS WW RTTY Contest Rules
- Attention OZ - need info on Coastwatcher radios
- Closed Repeaters (HAM probs) (2 msgs)
- cycles, cycles/sec vs Hz
- Field Day!
- Ham Radio few problem
- Luck Hurder ... gone:( Why?
- Need info on operatin in Thailand
- Senator Barry Goldwater
- test
-
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-
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-
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- herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official
- policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 03:35:29 GMT
- From: netcomsv!netcom.com!vanwag@decwrl.dec.com
- Subject: 440 in So. Cal.
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Of over 350 pairs listed in So.Cal. in last years ARRL Repeater Guide,
- there were only 32 open repeaters. What a waste of frequency. The only
- open repeater I have been able to find that I can reach is on 446.650.
- Sometimes I wonder why I have a dual band.
-
- George KE6EPC
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 05:13:50 GMT
- From: news.Hawaii.Edu!uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu!jherman@ames.arpa
- Subject: 440 in So. Cal.
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <vanwagCqLJB5.Myz@netcom.com> vanwag@netcom.com (George Van Wagner) writes:
- >Sometimes I wonder why I have a dual band.
-
- George: Why not do what hams used to do on 2, 1 1/4, and 3/4 meters before
- repeaters: Simplex. Put your construction skills to use and build your-
- self a beam antenna and have some fun.
-
- You shouldn't be dependent upon someone else's radio (i.e. repeater) to
- enjoy your own radio.
-
- Jeff NH6IL
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 05:26:27 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!csus.edu!netcom.com!linley@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: 440 in So. Cal.
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In ye olden post vanwag@netcom.com (George Van Wagner) spake...
- >Of over 350 pairs listed in So.Cal. in last years ARRL Repeater Guide,
- >there were only 32 open repeaters. What a waste of frequency. The only
- >open repeater I have been able to find that I can reach is on 446.650.
- ^^^^^^^
- Hats off to George, KJ6TQ, for his service to the ham community.
-
- >Sometimes I wonder why I have a dual band.
- >
- >George KE6EPC
-
- Agreed. The 440 situation in Southern California is rediculous. I'm curious,
- how would hams feel about restricting closed repeaters to certain segments
- of each band? I hate to see new rules having to be made, but something's
- wrong when whole bands turn into private cliques. I don't believe that this
- was ever the intention of part 97. Thoughts?
-
- --
- Bruce James Robert Linley ---- linley@netcom.com ---- Amateur radio: KE6EQZ
-
- "Another visitor. Stay a while... Stay FOREVER!"
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 30 May 1994 00:40:18 -0700
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.cerf.net!ccnet.com!ccnet.com!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: 440 in So. Cal.
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Bruce James Robert Linley (linley@netcom.com) wrote:
-
- : Agreed. The 440 situation in Southern California is rediculous. I'm curious,
- : how would hams feel about restricting closed repeaters to certain segments
- : of each band? I hate to see new rules having to be made, but something's
- : wrong when whole bands turn into private cliques. I don't believe that this
- : was ever the intention of part 97. Thoughts?
-
- In Southern California the closed and private repeaters are using one
- third of the 420 - 450 UHF amateur band. The commission has always ruled
- in favor of closed repeaters. You may wish to reread part97 as it relates
- to control of automatic stations in the auxiliary or repeater service.
-
- I understand that open repeaters in southern california are now using the
- local courts to issue injunctions limiting access to their repeaters.
-
- Amateur stations in the digital modes are now having to operate under
- stricter regulations and may soon require you to authenticate your
- station before they allow you to use their networks. I bet you never
- thought packet would be closed.
-
- Private cliques are not limited to 440, just the other evening I was able
- to hear several on 75 meters. Those guys seem to tie up the frequencies
- over several continents.
-
- Here in the San Francisco Bay Area the open repeaters occupy half the 440
- - 450 sub band and you will notice most of the activity is on the closed
- repeaters. Join a club, join the group and have fun on a closed repeater.
- Please don't be fooled by that c in the directory. The personality of the
- repeater group should be loud and clear after a couple nights monitoring.
- Find a group you like to listen to and jump in!
-
- Bob
-
-
- --
- Bob Wilkins work bwilkins@cave.org
- Berkeley, California home rwilkins@ccnet.com
- 94701-0710 play n6fri@n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.noam
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 23:56:46 -0800
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!mcws!FUsenetToss@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: 6146A vs 6146
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Dave, I'm not sure of myself here but I believe the differences among
- the various 6146 tubes is in plate dissipation rating. You can
- interchange them regardless of the warning on the back of the rig.
- I wouldn't mix them in a rig though; there may be minor differences in
- capacitance etc. and they may not share current well if you mix them.
- Neutralization ought to be done every time you change tubes anyway, or
- at least check the settings. When I used those tubes I did find that
- they were close enough that I didn't have to readjust, but I don't know
- if that would be everyone's experience.
-
- 73 DE K6DDX
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 30 May 1994 12:57:20 +1000
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!pipex!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nac.no!ifi.uio.no!wabbit.cc.uow.edu.au!metro!ob1.uws.edu.au!lancelot.st.nepean.uws.edu.au!dgodden@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: ANARTS WW RTTY Contest Rules
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- ANARTS
- 11th-12th JUNE. 1994.
- WW RTTY CONTEST
- Australian National Amateur
- Radio Teleprinter Society.
- RULES P.O. Box 860, CROWS NEST, NSW 2065.
- ========================================================================
-
- These Rules do not change the previous rules of this Contest published
- early 1994, but are intended to remind all interested persons
- world-wide that ANARTS Contest time is now fast approaching.
-
- TEST PERIOD: Contest takes place on the second full week-end of June in
- each year. Contests start 0000 UTC Saturday and end 0000 UTC Monday.
- The 1994 contest is to be held 11-12th June.
-
- Not more than 30 hours of operating is permitted for Single Op. Stations
- Non operating periods can be taken at any time during the contest.
-
- Multi Op. Stations may operate the entire contest period.
-
- Summary of operating times must be submitted with each contest log.
-
- BANDS: Use Amateur bands 80, 40, 20, 15 and 10 metres.
-
- MODES: All digital modes permitted (RTTY,AMTOR,FEC,PKT,PACTOR)
- NOTE: No satellite operation permitted.
-
- CLASSIFICATIONS: (A) SINGLE OPERATOR (One transmitter)
-
- (B) MULTI-OPERATOR (One transmitter)
-
- (C) SWLs
-
- MESSAGES: To consist of RST, TIME (UTC), and (CQ) ZONE.
-
- SCORING: For each band used - As per Exchange Points Table to obtain
- QSO Points.
- Count Countries worked (see definition)
-
- Total all bands used to obtain (1) Total QSO Points.
- (2) Total Countries.
-
- World stations calculate "VK BONUS" which is 100 points for
- each VK worked on 14MHz; 200 points for each VK worked on
- 21MHz; 300 points for each VK worked on 28Mhz; 400 points for
- each VK worked on 7MHz and 500 points for each VK worked on
- 3.5MHz.
-
- CLAIMED SCORE for WORLD STATIONS is calculated by
- multiplying (1) TOTAL QSO POINTS by (2) TOTAL COUNTRIES then
- that total by (3) the NUMBER OF CONTINENTS WORKED during the
- contest.(Note that each continent counts once only to a
- maximum of 6). To the total obtained ADD the "VK BONUS" to
- show GRAND TOTAL CLAIMED SCORE.
-
- Example for World Station: 720 points from zone chart (1) X
- by 29 countries (2) X 5 continents (3) = 104,400 points, plus
- (+) 6 VK stations worked on 14MHz (that is 600 points) giving
- a grand total of 105,000 points.
-
- CLAIMED SCORE for AUSTRALIAN STATIONS (VK1-VK8) is calculated
- by multipying (1) TOTAL QSO POINTS by (2) TOTAL COUNTRIES and
- then that total by (3) the NUMBER OF CONTINENTS WORKED during
- the contest with a maximum of six as stated above. This
- calculation gives the GRAND TOTAL CLAIMED SCORE.
-
- In all cases, a station may only be worked once per band, but
- may be worked on other bands for QSO points and multipliers.
-
- COUNTRIES: The country count is as per ARRL DXCC list of countries,
- except that Australia (Areas 1-8), Canada, Japan, and U.S.A.
- mainland do not count as separate countries. HOWEVER, each
- call area VK1-VK8, and each call area in Canada, Japan and
- mainland U.S.A. DO COUNT AS SEPARATE COUNTRIES.
- Contact with ones own country does count for QSO points but
- does NOT COUNT AS A MULTIPLIER. (NOTE that call areas VK1-8,
- and in Canada, Japan and USA mainland count as countries).
-
- LOGS: Logs must show in this order:
- 1. DATE
- 2. TIME (UTC)
- 3. CALLSIGN OF STATION WORKED/HEARD
- 4. MESSAGE INFORMATION SENT/RECEIVED (RST/TIME/ZONE)
- 5. POINTS CLAIMED.
-
- SUMMARY REPORT: Summary sheet must show: Callsign of station, name
- and address of operator, bands used (a separate log is
- required for each band), the points claimed for each band,
- the number of countries worked on each band, the number of
- continents worked; and details of VK BONUS calculations for
- world stations. A summary of the calculations made to
- obtain the GRAND TOTAL CLAIMED SCORE as per the "Scoring"
- section will assist checking. The general certification
- regarding compliance with rules and signature of operator is
- also required.
-
- Multi-op logs must contain signatures and callsigns of each
- operator.
-
- AWARDS: Plaques will be awarded for first place in each Classification.
- Certificates will be given to 1st, 2nd, 3rd places in World and also on
- a country basis (see above). The judges decisions will be final and no
- correspondence will be entered into. Logs become the property of ANARTS
-
- CLOSING DATE: Logs must be received by the Contest Manager, A.N.A.R.T.S
- P.O. Box 93, TOONGABBIE, NSW 2146, AUSTRALIA, by 1st September of
- the year of the contest.
-
-
- dgodden@st.nepean.uws.edu.au Daniel Godden, 3rd/4th Yr B.App.Sc.(Ind. Maths)
- http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/~dgodden Uni of Western Sydney, Nepean
- GM -d+ p@ c++ l(-) u e+(*) m+(-) s+/-(--) n-(---) h f+ !g w+++ t+ r(+) y+
- I'm not okay, you're not okay. But hey that's okay.
- --
- dgodden@st.nepean.uws.edu.au Daniel Godden, 3rd/4th Yr B.App.Sc.(Ind. Maths)
- http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/~dgodden Uni of Western Sydney, Nepean
- GM -d+ p@ c++ l(-) u e+(*) m+(-) s+/-(--) n-(---) h f+ !g w+++ t+ r(+) y+
- I'm not okay, you're not okay. But hey that's okay.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 30 May 94 02:35:01 -0500
- From: news.delphi.com!usenet@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: Attention OZ - need info on Coastwatcher radios
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- rgesheimer, who spent
- a few months with the coastwatchers on the isl;and of New Britain, Great Guy,
- he may be able to steer you to sources in Australia....tell him I sent u.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 03:12:47 GMT
- From: brunix!pstc3.pstc.brown.edu!md@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: Closed Repeaters (HAM probs)
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- wa2ise@netcom.com (Robert Casey) writes:
-
- > I'm sure you're were joking about the ethnic part, and you forgot the :-)
- > No problem kicking off a bad or annoying operator, but I don't think the
- > FCC would permit a trustee to exclude hams of a specific ethnic group
- > or race. Something about the radio spectrum being a public resource
- > and laws on discrimination based on race, and such. Even if the
- > trustee's callsign was xx4KKK :-)
-
- No, I'm not joking. When the FCC was asked for input into this CA
- case of a trustee throwing two people off his repeater, the FCC wrote
- a letter which indicated that repeater trustees have always has the
- right to control who does and who does not operate their station.
- When you are using a repeater, you are operating another ham's
- station. The letter did not indicate, from my recollection, that
- the repeater trustee has to show just cause in order to throw someone
- off his/her repeater.
-
- Therefore, while perhaps stupid, a repeater trustee could use ethnic
- origin to dismiss a user from his/her repeater. Until, at least, the
- person being discriminated against sued him and/or the FCC; although
- I would think that it would have to be the FCC that would have to
- issue a "stop discriminating" order...
-
- Of course, I'm sure the repeater trustee would claim it had nothing
- to do with race, blah, blah, but was the user's operating habits, etc.
- Then prove otherwise.
-
- Dumb, yes, but not impossible.
-
- MD
- --
- -- Michael P. Deignan
- -- Amalgamated Baby Seal Poachers Union, Local 101
- -- "Get 'The Club'... Endorsed by Baby Seal poachers everywhere..."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 06:39:16 GMT
- From: netcomsv!netcom.com!mont@decwrl.dec.com
- Subject: Closed Repeaters (HAM probs)
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <1994May29.230929.9505@cs.brown.edu>,
- Michael P. Deignan <md@pstc3.pstc.brown.edu> wrote:
- >
- >The FCC, in a recent letter, stated that repeater trustees have always
- >had the right to exclude people from using their machines.
- >
- >Therefore, one can conclude that there is no such thing as an "open"
- >or "closed" repeater; that in fact all repeaters are "closed", you are
- >operating there as a guest of the repeater trustee, and if the trustee
- >doesn't like your operating practices, accent, ethnic background, or
- >anything else, s/he can tell you to get off and stay off his/her
- >repeater.
-
-
- Wait wait wait.... I have a question then.... Are you saying that a
- frequency can be owned because someone has a sanctioned repeater on
- it?
-
- My understanding is slightly different, so please correct me if I'm
- wrong. I thought that no one could own a frequency. My understanding
- of the above FCC statement is that a repeater owner/trustee doesn't
- have to let you use a repeater does not imply that they can tell you
- that you can't use the frequency. Certainly they are not obligated
- to tell you the telemetry commands, nor are they required to repeat
- your signal. But I didn't think they could tell you to get off the
- frequency.
-
- Now maybe my attitude goes against some ARRL band plan suggestions,
- but otherwise, if your not being offensive, or causing malicious
- interference, I don't understand how a repeater can be completely
- closed and unusable by any other ham. Is there anything in part 97
- about this issue?
-
- tnx & 73,
-
- --
- Mont Pierce
-
- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
- | Ham Call: KM6WT Internet: mont@netcom.com |
- | bands: 80/40/20/15/10/2 |
- | modes: cw,ssb,fm |
- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 28 May 94 18:23:54 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ncar!asuvax!pitstop.mcd.mot.com!mcdphx!schbbs!mothost!mdisea!uw-coco!quick!ole!rwing!eskimo!wrt@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: cycles, cycles/sec vs Hz
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- <2s03fp$ejj@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>
- Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever
-
-
- The most remarkable thing about the change to Hz was how quickly it
- happened in spite of near-universal opposition. I remember it quite
- well. Practically overnight all the magazine editors dropped kc and mc
- and took up Hz, followed by book publishers, various other
- organizations, etc, etc.
-
- The thing that makes it so odd is that there was NOBODY clamoring for
- it! Until it happened, nobody gave a damn, frankly. But when it did
- happen, the powers that be jumped on the bandwagon and eventually the
- rest of us followed. A few traditionalists like me had to be dragged,
- kicking and screaming, but by now it's ancient history.
-
- I am a technical writer/engineer by trade so I had to come around, but
- even now when I type "Hz" a little voice says "it ain't right..."
-
- 73, W7LZP
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 30 May 94 03:01:26 -0500
- From: news.delphi.com!usenet@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: Field Day!
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- For about 20 years now, we've been using car batteries on FD. An 80 amp batt
- should get you through all of FD,but have a spare for ur car.....
- Remember that most of the time u are receiving which draws but little....
- even when transmitting, when u are not talking, there is no power drain
- (in SSB, that is, FM is different, constant carrier) plus the rating of
- 150 watts is PEP....and you are not at peak power very much of the time...
- it goes up and it comes down......there is a hydrometer that you can put into
- the battery (where you fill it w/ water) and it will tell u the condition.
- FD is the funnest thing in AR.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 03:16:29 GMT
- From: brunix!pstc3.pstc.brown.edu!md@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: Ham Radio few problem
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- rogjd@netcom.com (Roger Buffington) writes:
-
- > I can assure you that in Southern California we take as dim a view of
- > jammers as is done anywhere else. Fortunately, the problem is manageable
- > and the jammers are reasonably few. T-hunting is big in our area, and
- > often if a jammer gets too out of hand he gets tracked down and
- > identified. These creeps tend to lose their enthusiasm for jamming when
- > they know that others know who they are.
-
- In a recent conversation with a fellow ham out in CA, KD1NR, a
- fellow ham in this area, exchanged information regarding how we have
- caught a jammer with hard evidence and nobody will do anything about
- it. Apparently, from his conversation, it would appear that similar
- incidents occur on a regular basis out in CA, with even professional
- RF folks at NASA doing jammer hunting with $100k+ equipment, only to
- bag people and have nothing done at all about it.
-
- Perhaps your glasses are a little too rose colored, Roger?
-
- MD
- --
- -- Michael P. Deignan
- -- Amalgamated Baby Seal Poachers Union, Local 101
- -- "Get 'The Club'... Endorsed by Baby Seal poachers everywhere..."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 05:14:23 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!slay@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Luck Hurder ... gone:( Why?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Ad Randy (adrandy@aol.com) wrote:
- : So what do K1ZZ and other top ARRL staffers earn in terms of salary?
- : Randy Padawer, WA4FJF
-
- Who cares? Would you be happy knowing that they are highly paid,
- lowly paid, or ???????? Take a look at QST whenever they announce
- a "professional" job opening ...... shoot - looks like they get paid
- at a rate lower than private enterpris.
-
- Cheers de
- Sandy WA6BXH
- slay@netcom.com
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 30 May 94 02:16:09 -0500
- From: news.delphi.com!usenet@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: Need info on operatin in Thailand
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Get in contact with fred laun, k3zo, recently back from thailand, he will
- be glad to assist u.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 19:53:35
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ceylon!sundog.tiac.net!news.sprintlink.net!indirect.com!s146.phxslip.indirect.com!lenwink@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Senator Barry Goldwater
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Former Senator and presidential candidate Barry Goldwater, K7UGA, will be the
- special guest on the Ham Radio & More show, Sunday, June 26, 1994. The show
- airs each week at 6:00pm EST on The Talk America Network, 22 local radio
- stations, and on satellite via Spacenet 3, Transponder 9, Audio 6.8.
- Don't miss this show with K7UGA. The toll free listener call-in number is
- 1-800-298-TALK.
- 73,
-
- Len, KB7LPW
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 19:51:07
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news2.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!indirect.com!s146.phxslip.indirect.com!lenwink@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: test
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- testing
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 06:14:16 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.cerf.net!pagesat.net!pagesat.net!norman@network.ucsd.edu
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <2s0bnm$ee3@cismsun.univ-lyon1.fr>, <1994May27.155244.1@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, <williams.770164780@maui>
- Subject : Re: SSB Filters
-
- williams@maui.qualcomm.com (Paul Williamson) writes:
-
- >>> Does someone have any clue regarding a possible US source for these ?
- >>> What I'd like to find out is a 10.7003 to 10.703 Xtal Filter, with at least
- >>> 60 dB at 10.6997 MHz. But a 9 MHz look-alike filter (or any IF) would
- >>> fit also.
-
-
- I think we have some 8 pole crystal filters in the 10.7 Mhz range. They
- probably are 7.5Khz wide. We have the exact specs. We would probably sell
- them to hams for $10.00 each.
-
- If interested please send me your fax number and I will fax the information.
-
- I know 4khz filters at 10.7 Mhz were used in some Uniden SSB CB rigs.
- They were quite good. You could put two in series. I think spare parts prices
- were in the $25.00 dollar range.
-
-
-
-
- Norman Gillaspie
- --
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